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The Ben & Jamesa Podcast
Welcome to The Ben & Jamesa Podcast, where we explore the shift from control to connection. In each episode, we share personal stories, dive into current events, and examine the oppressive systems that shape our lives and work. We challenge you to unlearn old patterns and build more compassionate, authentic connections in every area of life.
If you're new here, start with episode #137, “Start Here,” for an overview of our work and podcast. After that, dive into any episode that resonates with you as we break down how to move from control to genuine connection.
The Ben & Jamesa Podcast
Ep. 133: Travelling Outside Your Comfort Zone
In this episode, we explore what it really means to step outside your comfort zone—whether that’s moving across the world, engaging with unfamiliar identities, or sitting with uncomfortable truths about privilege and power.
We kick things off with Jamesa’s personal journey into expat life and her new focus on coaching individuals and families through the emotional and identity-shifting realities of living abroad. From there, we dive into the deeper discomfort many people—especially those with dominant identities—avoid: confronting the ways they’ve been shielded from discomfort through systems of power.
We unpack how intersectionality shapes who gets to stay comfortable, who doesn't, and why leaving your comfort zone is essential for personal growth and collective liberation. We also reflect on recent headlines that show what happens when people resist change, and we answer a listener question on neurodivergence, accountability, and doing “white people work” without shutting down.
